DealerTeamwork LLC
2013 DrivingSales Executive Summit Recap Part II
Here's my follow up recap for the rest of the 2013 DrivingSales Executive Summit held last week in Las Vegas.
Dylan Swift, National Director of Marketing at Yelp, opened up Monday morning with an overview of the online review landscape. He raised some eyebrows with his initial recommendation to the crowd: "Don't ask your customers for reviews on Yelp!" Dylan said that reviews should simply be an organic extension of your dealership's experience. Bad experiences will yield negative reviews. So, make sure your experiences are as positive as possible. Sure, obvious stuff - but it does helps to hear directly from Yelp about their processes and admitting the possibility of reviews being stripped away. (I've had legitimate, positive reviews for my dealership removed - and with no explanation)
Some dealers may have taken this guidance as a sign that Yelp doesn't necessarily understand the dealership review landscape (much like Google struggled a couple of years ago) Others may have interpreted this as a subtle hint that if you participate in Yelp's paid advertising programs, then maybe your reviews won't disappear. I don't believe this is a conspiracy of sorts, but the question does still remain about why so many positive reviews go missing.
One simple take away: If you're using specific call to actions in your CRM follow up emails, you may want to remove Yelp as an option. Showroom iPad kiosk solutions that include Yelp should also be considered for removal.
Next up on the agenda was the DrivingSales Best Idea Contest. This has always been one of my favorite portions of the entire event. Creative and progressive dealers compete against each other by sharing their best ideas to help improve their dealerships performance. There is never a shortage of great efforts and ideas. Another reason why I like this contest is that it helps the audience get a wonderful view of the enthusiasm these dealers posses - that's refreshing to see and should act as an inspiration to everyone in the audience for them to bring back to their dealerships as well. All of the contestants did an excellent job with their ideas; their presentations were also top notch this year.
Congratulations to Robert Karbaum, eCommerce Director for Weins Canada Inc. as he took home the top prize of $3000 with his Appointment Boarding Pass idea. (A strong signal that the Canadians are serious about upping their game!) Cheers to the other contestants who eagerly shared their efforts with the attendees - that alone is an awesome gesture and something that everyone respects tremendously. (There was some online chatter about this portion not being about the dealer's individual ideas vs. them showing of variations of vendor products - the main point here is that the dealers are trying to personalize these efforts and make them their own.) The others dealers competing were:
-
“Picture Perfect Reputation Management” – Megan Barto, Marketing Director, Ciocca Honda
-
“True Internet ROI” – Mark Brady, CTO/CMO, Fisher Honda-Kia
-
“Sell My Car” – Zack Freed, E Commerce Director, McCombs Automotive Team
-
“How to Visualize Big Data in the Dealership” – Jason Stum, Digital Marketing Manager, LaFontaine Automotive Group
And for those in attendance, please don't be lazy and simply copy their idea. add your dealership's flair and personality to the concepts is you'e so inclined and make it fit your brand's personality. That's how you stand out among this crowded space.
The next keynote to speak was Dr. Joeseph Weintraub, Professor of Management and Organizational Behavior, Babson College. Dr. Weintraub is an expert authority on leadership concepts and strategy - he's also one of those people that makes it extremely difficult to fit all of his experiences and knowledge into a 30 minute presentation. This is the type of guy you listen to all day long and then sit around a nice meal and simply soak up his wisdom. His emphasis on coaching content and leadership initiatives should speak volumes to dealers. He struck a chord with me with his message about creating learning through relationships to help improve the method and the processes. It needs to work on both ends and can't just be a one way street. His concept of allowing an organization's leaders to help grow future leaders make complete sense; the future of any dealership lies within the abilities of tomorrow's leaders, yet many simply ignore this path or don't recognize it at all. Dr. Weintraub's key elements of innovative companies is also something that dealers should consider adopting to help maintain a fresh stance in today's stagnant culture. Some examples include:
-
“Avoid analysis paralysis when we identify new opportunities by exhibiting a bias towards action; we are constantly experimenting"
-
"We are not afraid to fail, we treat failure as a learning opportunity"
-
"We have the right recruiting and hiring systems in place to support a culture of innovation"
-
"We are consistent in actually doing the things that we say we value"
-
"We have a deliberate, comprehensive and disciplined approach to innovation"
The next portion of the event I experienced was the breakout sessions. This year's DSES had a stellar lineup to choose from depending on your own personal needs and situation. I made it a point to visit as many dealer breakout sessions as possible because I was most interested in seeing what these dealers are doing. And I was not disappointed with the content I experienced. While they were all filled with timely, relevant information, two sessions that stood out for me were given by Aaron Wirtz (Subaru of Wichita) and Grant Gooley (Boyer Automotive Group). These two sessions were both highly polished and you could tell they had months of preparation and rehearsal put into them. Both presenters created an infectious enthusiasm among the audience and shared great concepts. The actual tools and tips shared almost seemed secondary; I enjoyed the way Aaron and Grant made their successes seem effortless - and fun. You could tell they simply love what they do. If your dealership doesn't have someone with that type of passion in that role, then you need to find one, quickly.
After the breakout sessions, everyone rushed back to catch Bruce Kimbrall, Disney Institute, talk about their favorite brand - Disney. Always so much you can learn from top brands such as Disney and it was a treat to hear their perspective. The message is also so powerful when you hear from such a historical brand and you begin to piece together how a company can become such a part of our lives. Bruce shared Disney's six stage of branding:
-
Unbranded Goods
-
Unbranded References
-
Brand as a personality
-
Brand as an icon
-
Brand as a company
-
Brand as a policy
He shared their philosophy on brand loyalty - always a hot topic for dealers. He insisted it boiled down to brand integrity. It doesn't matter what your product or service is, it will always come down to creating a positive experience for the guest. This philosophy transfers nicely into the concept of valuing all consumers to create the lifetime value effect. It does your organization no good to only create a portion of consumer value during their lifetime - it must be ongoing. He also described the steps involved in this process:
1. Create internal service quality (How you treat employees)
2. Employee satisfaction
3. Employee retention
4. External service quality (How you treat your customers)
5. Customer satisfaction
6. Customer value
7. Customer loyalty
8. Profit/Growth/Revenue
Leadership was another key theme during his keynote. Everyone is empowered to lead - and create magical moments for every guest at Disney. He also indicated there was a direct correlation between those who created the highest guest satisfaction and who ultimately became a great immediate leader within the organization. And while everyone may assume various reasons why guests come back to Disney time and time again, they really come back because of three reasons: How clean they keep Disney, friendliness of the staff and because guests feel safe. Very universal emotional triggers and Disney appeals to these factors on a consistent basis.
Tuesday's session kicked off with the ever-popular Digital Battle Debates hosted by Joe Webb (DealerKnows). Joe lined up some great participants in this year's debate and paired them up with the perfect competitors to help fuel the debate fire. This format works great and creates for a memorable session - especially when you get people like Bryan Armstrong battling against Kevin Frye in a debate over who should be handling your marketing efforts: Either old school car guy vs. new school technology guy. These guys are both animated speakers and also good friends - but the key element is the passion with which they stick to their side, yet can walk away with a hearty handshake and a hug. Conversely, JD Rucker and Ralph Paglia debated a topic in which I can barely remember because they both kept agreeing with each other. I couldn't tell which side either of them was representing. Its a debate. We want to see blood.
Congrats to all of the debate winners: Subi Gosh, Dan Boismeir, Kevin Frye, Jerry Thibeau and JD Rucker.
The next keynote was Cameron Chell, CEO Podium Ventures. This was among my favorite keynote of the entire event (along with Danny Sullivan) Cam is an extremely dynamic speaker who is definitely not lacking anything in the confidence department. He's also not afraid to tell his story. A very powerful personal story. His presentation was all about the value and the cost of trust. And to help make his point, he shared some of the most personal elements of his life and how he has moved along his life path. He described incredible successes of having built a business worth a half billion dollars and then experiencing losing it all due to drug and alcohol addictions. He shared how his experiences on 9/11 changed his entire thought process and the incredible pains it created in his life. And he talked about his incredible recovery; he shared how this process taught him to put others first and what it really meant to build and maintain trust. He told a wildly inspiring story about how he was able to convicine five of the world's largest nations to help him put video cameras on the International Space Station. I can't even imagine how one goes about taking a risk as large as this. This was moving, it made me think a lot and left me with such a strong positive feeling afterwards. I'm not sure if everyone in the audience felt the same, but that's the beauty of the these events - so much for everyone to take away when you have such high quality speakers.
The event was closed out with Danny Sullivan, Founder of Search Engine Land, and one of the top authorities on search marketing in the entire world. Danny was also among my most anticipated keynotes. He could easily fill up several days of SEO/SEM/search marketing content but I was impressed with how he managed to cover so many key topics in such an easily digestible format within 45 minutes. Some may argue he wasn't specific enough, but I liked how he covered the most relevant topics for dealers and the areas where they should be focusing. Danny could have easily buried the audience with a very granular, deep-technical dive - one which nobody would have enjoyed.
As a dealer, I would have focused in on the the following items that Danny mentioned within his presentation:
-
Create better, more creative content. Yes - this is a very difficult thing to do.
-
Participate within Google+. Google is centralizing it's product quite & this will help your activity and rankings.
-
Build your local reviews. Do it right by creating great experiences. The reviews will follow.
-
Mobile optimization. Make sure your site works on other devices, provides the right content and has the proper mobile architecture with regards to the mobile redirects.
-
Start using structured data. Tools are available within Google Webmaster tools to help tag your content properly. Hint, work with your website vendor on this. If they can't help you, find someone who can. This is a must-have element as the Semantic Web continues to grow and take over the search engine results.
Overall this was another great event and one that you must be at if you consider yourself a forward thinking, progressive dealer. The audience continues to get more aware and smarter every year, you'll need all the help you can get to stay a couple of steps ahead of your competition.
The opportunities to meet, hang out and collaborate with other top-notch dealers and vendors are limitless. My experiences at this event each year are so valuable because of the quality people I meet. Those relationships are more meaningful now because of the personal friendships that have grown as a result of this event. I encourage everyone to put in the effort to meet more people and build your relationships - I'm fortunate to have such incredible industry friends.
Congratulations to Jared and team for another stellar DSES, looking forward to seeing who's on stage next year!
Thank you!
DealerTeamwork LLC
2013 DrivingSales Executive Summit Recap Part II
Here's my follow up recap for the rest of the 2013 DrivingSales Executive Summit held last week in Las Vegas.
Dylan Swift, National Director of Marketing at Yelp, opened up Monday morning with an overview of the online review landscape. He raised some eyebrows with his initial recommendation to the crowd: "Don't ask your customers for reviews on Yelp!" Dylan said that reviews should simply be an organic extension of your dealership's experience. Bad experiences will yield negative reviews. So, make sure your experiences are as positive as possible. Sure, obvious stuff - but it does helps to hear directly from Yelp about their processes and admitting the possibility of reviews being stripped away. (I've had legitimate, positive reviews for my dealership removed - and with no explanation)
Some dealers may have taken this guidance as a sign that Yelp doesn't necessarily understand the dealership review landscape (much like Google struggled a couple of years ago) Others may have interpreted this as a subtle hint that if you participate in Yelp's paid advertising programs, then maybe your reviews won't disappear. I don't believe this is a conspiracy of sorts, but the question does still remain about why so many positive reviews go missing.
One simple take away: If you're using specific call to actions in your CRM follow up emails, you may want to remove Yelp as an option. Showroom iPad kiosk solutions that include Yelp should also be considered for removal.
Next up on the agenda was the DrivingSales Best Idea Contest. This has always been one of my favorite portions of the entire event. Creative and progressive dealers compete against each other by sharing their best ideas to help improve their dealerships performance. There is never a shortage of great efforts and ideas. Another reason why I like this contest is that it helps the audience get a wonderful view of the enthusiasm these dealers posses - that's refreshing to see and should act as an inspiration to everyone in the audience for them to bring back to their dealerships as well. All of the contestants did an excellent job with their ideas; their presentations were also top notch this year.
Congratulations to Robert Karbaum, eCommerce Director for Weins Canada Inc. as he took home the top prize of $3000 with his Appointment Boarding Pass idea. (A strong signal that the Canadians are serious about upping their game!) Cheers to the other contestants who eagerly shared their efforts with the attendees - that alone is an awesome gesture and something that everyone respects tremendously. (There was some online chatter about this portion not being about the dealer's individual ideas vs. them showing of variations of vendor products - the main point here is that the dealers are trying to personalize these efforts and make them their own.) The others dealers competing were:
-
“Picture Perfect Reputation Management” – Megan Barto, Marketing Director, Ciocca Honda
-
“True Internet ROI” – Mark Brady, CTO/CMO, Fisher Honda-Kia
-
“Sell My Car” – Zack Freed, E Commerce Director, McCombs Automotive Team
-
“How to Visualize Big Data in the Dealership” – Jason Stum, Digital Marketing Manager, LaFontaine Automotive Group
And for those in attendance, please don't be lazy and simply copy their idea. add your dealership's flair and personality to the concepts is you'e so inclined and make it fit your brand's personality. That's how you stand out among this crowded space.
The next keynote to speak was Dr. Joeseph Weintraub, Professor of Management and Organizational Behavior, Babson College. Dr. Weintraub is an expert authority on leadership concepts and strategy - he's also one of those people that makes it extremely difficult to fit all of his experiences and knowledge into a 30 minute presentation. This is the type of guy you listen to all day long and then sit around a nice meal and simply soak up his wisdom. His emphasis on coaching content and leadership initiatives should speak volumes to dealers. He struck a chord with me with his message about creating learning through relationships to help improve the method and the processes. It needs to work on both ends and can't just be a one way street. His concept of allowing an organization's leaders to help grow future leaders make complete sense; the future of any dealership lies within the abilities of tomorrow's leaders, yet many simply ignore this path or don't recognize it at all. Dr. Weintraub's key elements of innovative companies is also something that dealers should consider adopting to help maintain a fresh stance in today's stagnant culture. Some examples include:
-
“Avoid analysis paralysis when we identify new opportunities by exhibiting a bias towards action; we are constantly experimenting"
-
"We are not afraid to fail, we treat failure as a learning opportunity"
-
"We have the right recruiting and hiring systems in place to support a culture of innovation"
-
"We are consistent in actually doing the things that we say we value"
-
"We have a deliberate, comprehensive and disciplined approach to innovation"
The next portion of the event I experienced was the breakout sessions. This year's DSES had a stellar lineup to choose from depending on your own personal needs and situation. I made it a point to visit as many dealer breakout sessions as possible because I was most interested in seeing what these dealers are doing. And I was not disappointed with the content I experienced. While they were all filled with timely, relevant information, two sessions that stood out for me were given by Aaron Wirtz (Subaru of Wichita) and Grant Gooley (Boyer Automotive Group). These two sessions were both highly polished and you could tell they had months of preparation and rehearsal put into them. Both presenters created an infectious enthusiasm among the audience and shared great concepts. The actual tools and tips shared almost seemed secondary; I enjoyed the way Aaron and Grant made their successes seem effortless - and fun. You could tell they simply love what they do. If your dealership doesn't have someone with that type of passion in that role, then you need to find one, quickly.
After the breakout sessions, everyone rushed back to catch Bruce Kimbrall, Disney Institute, talk about their favorite brand - Disney. Always so much you can learn from top brands such as Disney and it was a treat to hear their perspective. The message is also so powerful when you hear from such a historical brand and you begin to piece together how a company can become such a part of our lives. Bruce shared Disney's six stage of branding:
-
Unbranded Goods
-
Unbranded References
-
Brand as a personality
-
Brand as an icon
-
Brand as a company
-
Brand as a policy
He shared their philosophy on brand loyalty - always a hot topic for dealers. He insisted it boiled down to brand integrity. It doesn't matter what your product or service is, it will always come down to creating a positive experience for the guest. This philosophy transfers nicely into the concept of valuing all consumers to create the lifetime value effect. It does your organization no good to only create a portion of consumer value during their lifetime - it must be ongoing. He also described the steps involved in this process:
1. Create internal service quality (How you treat employees)
2. Employee satisfaction
3. Employee retention
4. External service quality (How you treat your customers)
5. Customer satisfaction
6. Customer value
7. Customer loyalty
8. Profit/Growth/Revenue
Leadership was another key theme during his keynote. Everyone is empowered to lead - and create magical moments for every guest at Disney. He also indicated there was a direct correlation between those who created the highest guest satisfaction and who ultimately became a great immediate leader within the organization. And while everyone may assume various reasons why guests come back to Disney time and time again, they really come back because of three reasons: How clean they keep Disney, friendliness of the staff and because guests feel safe. Very universal emotional triggers and Disney appeals to these factors on a consistent basis.
Tuesday's session kicked off with the ever-popular Digital Battle Debates hosted by Joe Webb (DealerKnows). Joe lined up some great participants in this year's debate and paired them up with the perfect competitors to help fuel the debate fire. This format works great and creates for a memorable session - especially when you get people like Bryan Armstrong battling against Kevin Frye in a debate over who should be handling your marketing efforts: Either old school car guy vs. new school technology guy. These guys are both animated speakers and also good friends - but the key element is the passion with which they stick to their side, yet can walk away with a hearty handshake and a hug. Conversely, JD Rucker and Ralph Paglia debated a topic in which I can barely remember because they both kept agreeing with each other. I couldn't tell which side either of them was representing. Its a debate. We want to see blood.
Congrats to all of the debate winners: Subi Gosh, Dan Boismeir, Kevin Frye, Jerry Thibeau and JD Rucker.
The next keynote was Cameron Chell, CEO Podium Ventures. This was among my favorite keynote of the entire event (along with Danny Sullivan) Cam is an extremely dynamic speaker who is definitely not lacking anything in the confidence department. He's also not afraid to tell his story. A very powerful personal story. His presentation was all about the value and the cost of trust. And to help make his point, he shared some of the most personal elements of his life and how he has moved along his life path. He described incredible successes of having built a business worth a half billion dollars and then experiencing losing it all due to drug and alcohol addictions. He shared how his experiences on 9/11 changed his entire thought process and the incredible pains it created in his life. And he talked about his incredible recovery; he shared how this process taught him to put others first and what it really meant to build and maintain trust. He told a wildly inspiring story about how he was able to convicine five of the world's largest nations to help him put video cameras on the International Space Station. I can't even imagine how one goes about taking a risk as large as this. This was moving, it made me think a lot and left me with such a strong positive feeling afterwards. I'm not sure if everyone in the audience felt the same, but that's the beauty of the these events - so much for everyone to take away when you have such high quality speakers.
The event was closed out with Danny Sullivan, Founder of Search Engine Land, and one of the top authorities on search marketing in the entire world. Danny was also among my most anticipated keynotes. He could easily fill up several days of SEO/SEM/search marketing content but I was impressed with how he managed to cover so many key topics in such an easily digestible format within 45 minutes. Some may argue he wasn't specific enough, but I liked how he covered the most relevant topics for dealers and the areas where they should be focusing. Danny could have easily buried the audience with a very granular, deep-technical dive - one which nobody would have enjoyed.
As a dealer, I would have focused in on the the following items that Danny mentioned within his presentation:
-
Create better, more creative content. Yes - this is a very difficult thing to do.
-
Participate within Google+. Google is centralizing it's product quite & this will help your activity and rankings.
-
Build your local reviews. Do it right by creating great experiences. The reviews will follow.
-
Mobile optimization. Make sure your site works on other devices, provides the right content and has the proper mobile architecture with regards to the mobile redirects.
-
Start using structured data. Tools are available within Google Webmaster tools to help tag your content properly. Hint, work with your website vendor on this. If they can't help you, find someone who can. This is a must-have element as the Semantic Web continues to grow and take over the search engine results.
Overall this was another great event and one that you must be at if you consider yourself a forward thinking, progressive dealer. The audience continues to get more aware and smarter every year, you'll need all the help you can get to stay a couple of steps ahead of your competition.
The opportunities to meet, hang out and collaborate with other top-notch dealers and vendors are limitless. My experiences at this event each year are so valuable because of the quality people I meet. Those relationships are more meaningful now because of the personal friendships that have grown as a result of this event. I encourage everyone to put in the effort to meet more people and build your relationships - I'm fortunate to have such incredible industry friends.
Congratulations to Jared and team for another stellar DSES, looking forward to seeing who's on stage next year!
Thank you!
5 Comments
DealerKnows Consulting
Thanks for the shout-out to the Digital Media Battle, Eric. DSES was a great time.
Kijiji, an eBay Company
Honoured to be mentioned in Part I, AND Part II !
vAuto
Great recap(s), Eric! Fantastic event and what a fantastic group of people that put this show on; all with one goal and that's to help the fellow dealer.
Jeff Wyler Automotive Family
I know how much work goes into a recap like this - great job Eric! I really enjoyed the conference, with the highlight being able to meet with so many great folks. I am already looking forward to a follow-up on the data panel and to see if any progress is made. Cheers to all!
DealerTeamwork LLC
Robert - I knew you were going to light up the stage when I heard your prep-deck up in our room. You've got a gift. Will - Thanks. We're all lucky to be a part of such a fantastic group that is certainly trying to help one another. Kevin - Appreciated. Unfortunately I missed the data panel; the tweets & offline chatter were among the most lively.
DealerTeamwork LLC
2013 DrivingSales Executive Summit Recap Part 1
Wow. Five and half years years ago I received a phone call from Jared Hamilton. He asked, no - told me, I had to head out to Las Vegas to attend a new event he was holding specifically for "progressive dealers." I had no idea what he meant by that; as a relatively new dealer on the scene I just assumed every dealer was progressive. It sounded awesome and I knew I had to be there. so off to Vegas I went.
Jared described a conference that would speak to dealers about their current problems, provide greater awareness and help dealers actually improve operations. I recall him telling me how this was going to be the best thing ever and that someday, eventually, it would be the biggest & best retail conference. I also remember getting off the phone saying to myself, "I like that kid - he's a dreamer, but I like him."
True to his word Jared has delivered on that promise to the retail industry. After five years the DrivingSales Executive Summit has become the defacto retail automotive conference to attend. Nearly 3000 people have attended all five events over the years, thousands more have followed along online to soak up the knowledge from the speakers and the attendees. (The event has even been a national trending topic on Twitter. Twice.)
Jared and his superstar event planning team have attracted the best industry speakers, world-class keynotes from outside the industry and the best retail dealers to contribute their experiences with attendees. This year was no exception. In fact, this year's event was extended to include a special pre-DSES Canadian section for our dealer neighbors to the North. This group of dealers, vendors and speakers nearly equalled the same number of attendees from the 1st DSES.
The Canadian portion of the event signifies a new shift in the retail industry. The Canadians appear to be even thirstier for the information flow US dealers have been sipping at the past few years. The speed at which they're absorbing and implementing this content is staggering. These dealers needed their venue due to the culture changes and DrivingSales was able to respond with the help of Jay Radke. (Did you know that Canadians are the largest consumers of YouTube content in North America?) Jay assembled an all-star cast of successful Canadian dealers such as: Robert Karbaum, Aleksandra Banas, Dave Hicks, Doug & Andrew Maciver. Brent Wees (Glovebox) was also invited to share his knowledge on responsive web design and mobile strategies. Bringing everything to a close and validating everyone's presentations was Al Awadia (Google).
Later on Sunday master of ceremonies Charlie Volgleheim opened up in the festivities tighter than ever and with his unique blend of professionalism and wit. Jared Hamilton wasted no time in delighting the attendees with what to expect over the next couple of days. He then delivered what I believe to be one of his strongest keynotes to date. He whipped the audience into a frenzy with fixed operations stats and performance data over the years and how this segment has fared against other dealership departments. Bottom line - it isn't pretty. His presentation ended like the finale of a fireworks display. He rattled off performance numbers in a Ran Man-esque manner that was not only impressive but made clear and simple sense: dealers need to pay attention to their fixed ops activities, how they manage this department and how their marketing activities can impact their fixed ops efforts.
- 62% of drivers research the service technicians recommendations before coming in.
- 43% of drivers search online when deciding where to take their car for service.
- Dealers must go with a fixed ops approach in your BDC structure.
Scott Hernalsteen took the stage next and shared some of their and insights on how to help improve merchandising efforts. While he offered some general best practice reminders, the data points can clearly help any dealership with regards to their 3rd party merchandising efforts:
- VDP views increase by 34% when vehicles arelisted below MSRP.
- 186% more VDP views when priced below the market and also have multiple customer photos.
- 70% of new car buyers actually pay more than the price they saw online.
- 26% more people traveled 30+ miles to a dealership when there are custom vehicle comments
Up next was Leif Babin, US Navy SEAL Officer. This was an intense keynote with one simple message: Leadership. Also important to note, Leif is only the second person in DSES history get a standing ovation after his presentation. (Gary V. was the 1st)
Rather than try to convey the emotions his keynote elicited, I'll share some of the hard hitting items Leif provided us:
- If the team fails, everyone fails.
- Laws of Combat: 1. Cover & move. 2. Simple. 3. Prioritize & Execute. 4. Decentralize Command.
- Orders need to be given in a clear & concise manner so everyone understands them.
- When it's overwhelming, relax, look around and make a call.
- Talk through what could go wrong with your team so they're prepared.
- Your team needs to understand not only what what to do, but why they need to do it.
- Leaders take ownership when things go wrong.
- (And my favorite) It's not what you preach, it's what you tolerate.
I'll follow up tomorrow with the rest of the DrivingSales recap - so much more to review.
3 Comments
IM@CS
The conference was great! This recap is spot-on. Jared certainly opened my eyes to some fixed-op shortfalls that we have and will start working on. Looking forward to part 2. Thanks Eric
Stephen Automall Center
When you say "research the service technicians recommendations" are you referring to online reviews and what is a "fixed ops approach in your BDC structure?"
DealerTeamwork LLC
Thanks Jake - appreciate you checking it out. Mike - I interpreted Jared's comment meaning that customers are seeking out a 2nd opinion in the form of additional online research; they're checking on the tech's recommendations. As the BDC structure, fixed ops should also be a focus. Phone reps should be trained on the specific scenarios, customers scenarios and the revenue opportunities - the BDC doesn't need to be limited to just sales appointments, if it is you;re leaving a lot of money on the table every single day.
DealerTeamwork LLC
2013 DrivingSales Executive Summit Recap Part 1
Wow. Five and half years years ago I received a phone call from Jared Hamilton. He asked, no - told me, I had to head out to Las Vegas to attend a new event he was holding specifically for "progressive dealers." I had no idea what he meant by that; as a relatively new dealer on the scene I just assumed every dealer was progressive. It sounded awesome and I knew I had to be there. so off to Vegas I went.
Jared described a conference that would speak to dealers about their current problems, provide greater awareness and help dealers actually improve operations. I recall him telling me how this was going to be the best thing ever and that someday, eventually, it would be the biggest & best retail conference. I also remember getting off the phone saying to myself, "I like that kid - he's a dreamer, but I like him."
True to his word Jared has delivered on that promise to the retail industry. After five years the DrivingSales Executive Summit has become the defacto retail automotive conference to attend. Nearly 3000 people have attended all five events over the years, thousands more have followed along online to soak up the knowledge from the speakers and the attendees. (The event has even been a national trending topic on Twitter. Twice.)
Jared and his superstar event planning team have attracted the best industry speakers, world-class keynotes from outside the industry and the best retail dealers to contribute their experiences with attendees. This year was no exception. In fact, this year's event was extended to include a special pre-DSES Canadian section for our dealer neighbors to the North. This group of dealers, vendors and speakers nearly equalled the same number of attendees from the 1st DSES.
The Canadian portion of the event signifies a new shift in the retail industry. The Canadians appear to be even thirstier for the information flow US dealers have been sipping at the past few years. The speed at which they're absorbing and implementing this content is staggering. These dealers needed their venue due to the culture changes and DrivingSales was able to respond with the help of Jay Radke. (Did you know that Canadians are the largest consumers of YouTube content in North America?) Jay assembled an all-star cast of successful Canadian dealers such as: Robert Karbaum, Aleksandra Banas, Dave Hicks, Doug & Andrew Maciver. Brent Wees (Glovebox) was also invited to share his knowledge on responsive web design and mobile strategies. Bringing everything to a close and validating everyone's presentations was Al Awadia (Google).
Later on Sunday master of ceremonies Charlie Volgleheim opened up in the festivities tighter than ever and with his unique blend of professionalism and wit. Jared Hamilton wasted no time in delighting the attendees with what to expect over the next couple of days. He then delivered what I believe to be one of his strongest keynotes to date. He whipped the audience into a frenzy with fixed operations stats and performance data over the years and how this segment has fared against other dealership departments. Bottom line - it isn't pretty. His presentation ended like the finale of a fireworks display. He rattled off performance numbers in a Ran Man-esque manner that was not only impressive but made clear and simple sense: dealers need to pay attention to their fixed ops activities, how they manage this department and how their marketing activities can impact their fixed ops efforts.
- 62% of drivers research the service technicians recommendations before coming in.
- 43% of drivers search online when deciding where to take their car for service.
- Dealers must go with a fixed ops approach in your BDC structure.
Scott Hernalsteen took the stage next and shared some of their and insights on how to help improve merchandising efforts. While he offered some general best practice reminders, the data points can clearly help any dealership with regards to their 3rd party merchandising efforts:
- VDP views increase by 34% when vehicles arelisted below MSRP.
- 186% more VDP views when priced below the market and also have multiple customer photos.
- 70% of new car buyers actually pay more than the price they saw online.
- 26% more people traveled 30+ miles to a dealership when there are custom vehicle comments
Up next was Leif Babin, US Navy SEAL Officer. This was an intense keynote with one simple message: Leadership. Also important to note, Leif is only the second person in DSES history get a standing ovation after his presentation. (Gary V. was the 1st)
Rather than try to convey the emotions his keynote elicited, I'll share some of the hard hitting items Leif provided us:
- If the team fails, everyone fails.
- Laws of Combat: 1. Cover & move. 2. Simple. 3. Prioritize & Execute. 4. Decentralize Command.
- Orders need to be given in a clear & concise manner so everyone understands them.
- When it's overwhelming, relax, look around and make a call.
- Talk through what could go wrong with your team so they're prepared.
- Your team needs to understand not only what what to do, but why they need to do it.
- Leaders take ownership when things go wrong.
- (And my favorite) It's not what you preach, it's what you tolerate.
I'll follow up tomorrow with the rest of the DrivingSales recap - so much more to review.
3 Comments
IM@CS
The conference was great! This recap is spot-on. Jared certainly opened my eyes to some fixed-op shortfalls that we have and will start working on. Looking forward to part 2. Thanks Eric
Stephen Automall Center
When you say "research the service technicians recommendations" are you referring to online reviews and what is a "fixed ops approach in your BDC structure?"
DealerTeamwork LLC
Thanks Jake - appreciate you checking it out. Mike - I interpreted Jared's comment meaning that customers are seeking out a 2nd opinion in the form of additional online research; they're checking on the tech's recommendations. As the BDC structure, fixed ops should also be a focus. Phone reps should be trained on the specific scenarios, customers scenarios and the revenue opportunities - the BDC doesn't need to be limited to just sales appointments, if it is you;re leaving a lot of money on the table every single day.
DealerTeamwork LLC
Social Media Image Sizes and Dimensions [Infographic]
Updating social media profile avatars, backgrounds and images is a basic necessity of managing either your personal or professional brand. Unfortunately it’s also the biggest pain; just when you think you’re all set, another social platform changes their design and your images simply don’t fit the new layout. (Yes, this applies to you, the OCD reader)
So, hopefully this nice infographic will keep you looking good. The helpful folks over at Raidious (Go figure, they help build brands) covers all the bases for you with the latest sizes and dimensions for Facebook, Twitter, Google+, LinkedIn & YouTube channels. Why these channels? That’s all you really need to help with your objectives and also keep it manageable.
Now go check your images and get something cool and unique in place.
4 Comments
DealerTeamwork LLC
Cool - hope it helps Grant. I always dreaded editing this stuff when things changed.
Rairdon Automotive Group
Perfect timing!. Redoing the profile graphics for ALL of my stores is on this month's project list. Thanks.
DealerTeamwork LLC
Social Media Image Sizes and Dimensions [Infographic]
Updating social media profile avatars, backgrounds and images is a basic necessity of managing either your personal or professional brand. Unfortunately it’s also the biggest pain; just when you think you’re all set, another social platform changes their design and your images simply don’t fit the new layout. (Yes, this applies to you, the OCD reader)
So, hopefully this nice infographic will keep you looking good. The helpful folks over at Raidious (Go figure, they help build brands) covers all the bases for you with the latest sizes and dimensions for Facebook, Twitter, Google+, LinkedIn & YouTube channels. Why these channels? That’s all you really need to help with your objectives and also keep it manageable.
Now go check your images and get something cool and unique in place.
4 Comments
DealerTeamwork LLC
Cool - hope it helps Grant. I always dreaded editing this stuff when things changed.
Rairdon Automotive Group
Perfect timing!. Redoing the profile graphics for ALL of my stores is on this month's project list. Thanks.
DealerTeamwork LLC
Google To Stop Passing Keyword Data
Well, it's finally happening. Google has announced that it will stop passing along organic keyword values to Google Analytics. The values will not flow through as users are being directed to the secure version of Google. Even if you type in http://Google.com your browser will redirect you to the secure version. (https)
Why are they doing this?
Basically this does two things. It keeps the SEO's guessing and more importantly it puts the focus squarely on content. Google wants websites to be important with regards to the quality of their content rather than just the quality of the marketing ability.
Some may argue a Google-conspiracy theory at work in that this will just push more activity to Google Adwords (Adwords keyword data will still flow through to analytics) and therefore help drive revenue. Hooray for shareholders if that's the case; Booo for website owners and those just relying on organic activity.
Keyword data will still flow for Yahoo and Bing - and I believe there is a huge opportunity for many sites to grab valuable long tail traffic from those search engines as well.
So. What should you do?
My first thought is to make sure you have your pages cleaned up and organized. Get rid of duplicate titles and description. Organize your organic efforts and be sure you're tracking your keywords and their respective pages within your software - regardless of who is managing the efforts. You need to know where you rank, what the long term performance of that page is and how it performs.
Are you creating individual content for that page? Do you have something different (something different than the thousands of other pages that have been created by your website vendor for the other dealers on the same platform?)
Are you tracking the performance of the pages and their content? Here's an example of a custom Google analytics report you can use to easily track how your pages are performing: Content Efficiency Analysis. Be sure to set up your goal conversion tracking to track the form activity.
Do you have custom tracking numbers on your pages? Track as much as possible.
And lastly - Merchandise as best as possible. You're still going to drive valuable traffic to your site, so make it all worthwhile for the visitors. You know the drill: 35+ photos real videos, price, location, phone number, history reports, etc. And make sure sure the photos are high quality, in a photo booth if possible with great lighting. This all comes together like a puzzle to drive results.
Nobody knows for sure where the analytics reporting is headed, but we've known this day was coming. Maybe Google is done giving this product away for free. They have plenty of data; paid analytics could be the next step. (I've also said it for a while - this is the beginning of the Semantic Web/Structured Data...more on that in another post)
Don't be left behind and neglect the best practices for on-page optimization, usability and tracking keyword ranking with helpful search programs.
How do you see this changing your activities?
11 Comments
Stateline Sales LLC
You scooped me... Let me add my own take on this here too.. Your website provider can no longer report what keywords website visitors used to find your website using Google.com. This is great news for the real SEO firms in the space and traffic centric Social Media providers You can still determine what keywords your site is getting traffic from using Google tools. Google will provide the keyword data in Webmaster Tools so the data is still available for now. If you are using Adwords to drive traffic the keyword data is available and this seem to be the end plan. There are several software tools that will help you determine where your sites ranks for keywords and you will still get the data on search referrals from Yahoo and Bing. It is just Google, for now, that is being over protective of their keyword data and in the process forcing website owners to verify their site with them. Eventually the data from Webmaster Tools should become available in Google Analytics but it will not be available to your website providers reporting software. Dealers need to make sure they have Google Analytics installed on their website and that their site is in webmaster tools using a Google account they control not one created and maintained by their website provider. You do not want a website provider using their Google account for this purpose at all. If they have their own Google Analytics and Webmaster Tools on your domain you must insist they remove it and add you as an admin for your website profile for you to maintain the data. (A whole blog post in and of itself the many many reasons why.)
DealerTeamwork LLC
Thanks Paul - yet another reason to focus on the goodies WMT (still) provides!
Dealer Inspire
Thanks for the post Eric! As Paul mentioned, Google Webmasters will still show the search queries (for how long that's anyone's guess). I think this makes connecting Google Webmaster Tools and Analytics even more important for businesses ( found in Google Analytics under Traffic Sources --> Search Engine Optimization ). It's easy enough to do but this is often neglected in the setup process.
DealerTeamwork LLC
Thanks for adding those steps Bruce. Still puzzled why the vendors don't emphasize WMT (I have a thought, but that's another conversation) I see that many will add the verification tags but it's never integrated with their Google analytics. Plus, with the new tracking code it's as simple as clicking the verify button within WMT - no additional steps needed now.
Stateline Sales LLC
If I were to make a speculation we are going to probably see a consolidation of Google services over the next 12 to 24 months when it comes to WMT, Analytics and Adwords. If that happens it will really make an even bigger impact on the marketplace. Your right Eric. Maybe we should coauthor a piece on why vendors avoid WMT.. Many don't like to add analytics and this change will completely disrupt home grown reporting that most of the providers offer. Your server logs are blank...
DealerTeamwork LLC
Right on Paul - the reporting will most likely become less fragmented, all three sources will become one destination (maybe even a paid version) I believe we'll see deeper versions of the structured data markup tools available as well.
L2T Media
+Paul Rushing- You made some valid points! I agree that this is good news for SEO companies. No longer can "so called" SEO companies just send a ranking report of the top 20 keywords. You can still get keyword data from Google Analytics but you need to work harder to get the data. Branded vs non branded and tracking buckets of head terms will be useful. The complexity of SEO just increased and this will benefit the Savy dealerships I agree with Eric that you will need to look at content pages instead of keywords. As always it comes down to creating a unique user experience with content that the user is looking for. Funny thing is SEO experts have been saying that keyword rankings is irrelevant for over a year now. Now that the keyword ranking are gone everyone is up in arms. It is like the keyword ranking gods struck back at the SEO experts You can link Webmaster tools to Google Analytics currently to view links, search queries, and sitelinks . here is info https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/1120006?hl=en I do agree that Google is pushing publishers to use the AdWords platform and here is why I think that. Google recently added a new report in Google AdWords called Paid/Organic. You need to link Google Webmaster Tools to Google AdWords (Link Below). This report is located in AdWords under the dimension tab and it listed under Paid/Organic. The new paid & organic report is the first to let you see and compare your performance for a query when you have either an ad, an organic listing, or both appearing on the search results page. It is important to note that you can view ALL keywords where Google served your SERP either paid or organically. This means that you do not need to be bidding on paid keywords to see the data. You can setup a shell account to view the Keyword data. This is going to force a ton of publishers to use the AdWords platform to view keyword data. It is the hope of Google that publisher will see how much opportunity they are missing and will be compelled to use Google AdWords. Google recently extended the Top Search queries report from 90 days to 1 year. On a big picture level, I think that Google will soon be moving away from tracking individuals with cookies ( Cookie technology is used to determine consumers interest so relevant ads can be served). I believe that Google will soon be assigning everyone an anonymous identifier for advertising or AdID. This will give users more control over how they are tracked online but it will give all the power to Google. Google is looking for the same type of data that Facebook has, which is incredible. Google has been working hard to track users across multiple devices and to track offline conversions. Both Universal Analytics and offline conversions confirm this. Links below. Would you give up keyword data to track offline vehicle purchases? Let me know your thoughts? http://adwords.blogspot.com/2013/08/analyze-and-optimize-your-search.html Offline Tracking https://support.google.com/adwords/answer/2998031 Universal Analytics https://support.google.com/analytics/answer/2790010?hl=en -Jason
Proactive Dealer Solutions
I absolutely love the graphic used in the post. It sums up the topic in one picture.
DealerTeamwork LLC
Hah Matt - was wondering if someone would notice that:)
Dealer Inspire
Doh! http://searchengineland.com/google-webmaster-tools-blocks-keywords-173153 (it's a bug but thought I'd scare someone here)
DealerTeamwork LLC
Google To Stop Passing Keyword Data
Well, it's finally happening. Google has announced that it will stop passing along organic keyword values to Google Analytics. The values will not flow through as users are being directed to the secure version of Google. Even if you type in http://Google.com your browser will redirect you to the secure version. (https)
Why are they doing this?
Basically this does two things. It keeps the SEO's guessing and more importantly it puts the focus squarely on content. Google wants websites to be important with regards to the quality of their content rather than just the quality of the marketing ability.
Some may argue a Google-conspiracy theory at work in that this will just push more activity to Google Adwords (Adwords keyword data will still flow through to analytics) and therefore help drive revenue. Hooray for shareholders if that's the case; Booo for website owners and those just relying on organic activity.
Keyword data will still flow for Yahoo and Bing - and I believe there is a huge opportunity for many sites to grab valuable long tail traffic from those search engines as well.
So. What should you do?
My first thought is to make sure you have your pages cleaned up and organized. Get rid of duplicate titles and description. Organize your organic efforts and be sure you're tracking your keywords and their respective pages within your software - regardless of who is managing the efforts. You need to know where you rank, what the long term performance of that page is and how it performs.
Are you creating individual content for that page? Do you have something different (something different than the thousands of other pages that have been created by your website vendor for the other dealers on the same platform?)
Are you tracking the performance of the pages and their content? Here's an example of a custom Google analytics report you can use to easily track how your pages are performing: Content Efficiency Analysis. Be sure to set up your goal conversion tracking to track the form activity.
Do you have custom tracking numbers on your pages? Track as much as possible.
And lastly - Merchandise as best as possible. You're still going to drive valuable traffic to your site, so make it all worthwhile for the visitors. You know the drill: 35+ photos real videos, price, location, phone number, history reports, etc. And make sure sure the photos are high quality, in a photo booth if possible with great lighting. This all comes together like a puzzle to drive results.
Nobody knows for sure where the analytics reporting is headed, but we've known this day was coming. Maybe Google is done giving this product away for free. They have plenty of data; paid analytics could be the next step. (I've also said it for a while - this is the beginning of the Semantic Web/Structured Data...more on that in another post)
Don't be left behind and neglect the best practices for on-page optimization, usability and tracking keyword ranking with helpful search programs.
How do you see this changing your activities?
11 Comments
Stateline Sales LLC
You scooped me... Let me add my own take on this here too.. Your website provider can no longer report what keywords website visitors used to find your website using Google.com. This is great news for the real SEO firms in the space and traffic centric Social Media providers You can still determine what keywords your site is getting traffic from using Google tools. Google will provide the keyword data in Webmaster Tools so the data is still available for now. If you are using Adwords to drive traffic the keyword data is available and this seem to be the end plan. There are several software tools that will help you determine where your sites ranks for keywords and you will still get the data on search referrals from Yahoo and Bing. It is just Google, for now, that is being over protective of their keyword data and in the process forcing website owners to verify their site with them. Eventually the data from Webmaster Tools should become available in Google Analytics but it will not be available to your website providers reporting software. Dealers need to make sure they have Google Analytics installed on their website and that their site is in webmaster tools using a Google account they control not one created and maintained by their website provider. You do not want a website provider using their Google account for this purpose at all. If they have their own Google Analytics and Webmaster Tools on your domain you must insist they remove it and add you as an admin for your website profile for you to maintain the data. (A whole blog post in and of itself the many many reasons why.)
DealerTeamwork LLC
Thanks Paul - yet another reason to focus on the goodies WMT (still) provides!
Dealer Inspire
Thanks for the post Eric! As Paul mentioned, Google Webmasters will still show the search queries (for how long that's anyone's guess). I think this makes connecting Google Webmaster Tools and Analytics even more important for businesses ( found in Google Analytics under Traffic Sources --> Search Engine Optimization ). It's easy enough to do but this is often neglected in the setup process.
DealerTeamwork LLC
Thanks for adding those steps Bruce. Still puzzled why the vendors don't emphasize WMT (I have a thought, but that's another conversation) I see that many will add the verification tags but it's never integrated with their Google analytics. Plus, with the new tracking code it's as simple as clicking the verify button within WMT - no additional steps needed now.
Stateline Sales LLC
If I were to make a speculation we are going to probably see a consolidation of Google services over the next 12 to 24 months when it comes to WMT, Analytics and Adwords. If that happens it will really make an even bigger impact on the marketplace. Your right Eric. Maybe we should coauthor a piece on why vendors avoid WMT.. Many don't like to add analytics and this change will completely disrupt home grown reporting that most of the providers offer. Your server logs are blank...
DealerTeamwork LLC
Right on Paul - the reporting will most likely become less fragmented, all three sources will become one destination (maybe even a paid version) I believe we'll see deeper versions of the structured data markup tools available as well.
L2T Media
+Paul Rushing- You made some valid points! I agree that this is good news for SEO companies. No longer can "so called" SEO companies just send a ranking report of the top 20 keywords. You can still get keyword data from Google Analytics but you need to work harder to get the data. Branded vs non branded and tracking buckets of head terms will be useful. The complexity of SEO just increased and this will benefit the Savy dealerships I agree with Eric that you will need to look at content pages instead of keywords. As always it comes down to creating a unique user experience with content that the user is looking for. Funny thing is SEO experts have been saying that keyword rankings is irrelevant for over a year now. Now that the keyword ranking are gone everyone is up in arms. It is like the keyword ranking gods struck back at the SEO experts You can link Webmaster tools to Google Analytics currently to view links, search queries, and sitelinks . here is info https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/1120006?hl=en I do agree that Google is pushing publishers to use the AdWords platform and here is why I think that. Google recently added a new report in Google AdWords called Paid/Organic. You need to link Google Webmaster Tools to Google AdWords (Link Below). This report is located in AdWords under the dimension tab and it listed under Paid/Organic. The new paid & organic report is the first to let you see and compare your performance for a query when you have either an ad, an organic listing, or both appearing on the search results page. It is important to note that you can view ALL keywords where Google served your SERP either paid or organically. This means that you do not need to be bidding on paid keywords to see the data. You can setup a shell account to view the Keyword data. This is going to force a ton of publishers to use the AdWords platform to view keyword data. It is the hope of Google that publisher will see how much opportunity they are missing and will be compelled to use Google AdWords. Google recently extended the Top Search queries report from 90 days to 1 year. On a big picture level, I think that Google will soon be moving away from tracking individuals with cookies ( Cookie technology is used to determine consumers interest so relevant ads can be served). I believe that Google will soon be assigning everyone an anonymous identifier for advertising or AdID. This will give users more control over how they are tracked online but it will give all the power to Google. Google is looking for the same type of data that Facebook has, which is incredible. Google has been working hard to track users across multiple devices and to track offline conversions. Both Universal Analytics and offline conversions confirm this. Links below. Would you give up keyword data to track offline vehicle purchases? Let me know your thoughts? http://adwords.blogspot.com/2013/08/analyze-and-optimize-your-search.html Offline Tracking https://support.google.com/adwords/answer/2998031 Universal Analytics https://support.google.com/analytics/answer/2790010?hl=en -Jason
Proactive Dealer Solutions
I absolutely love the graphic used in the post. It sums up the topic in one picture.
DealerTeamwork LLC
Hah Matt - was wondering if someone would notice that:)
Dealer Inspire
Doh! http://searchengineland.com/google-webmaster-tools-blocks-keywords-173153 (it's a bug but thought I'd scare someone here)
DealerTeamwork LLC
Five Myths To Better Google Organic Ranking Busted

2 Comments
Coastal States Automotive Group
Great overview Eric- very important information here that is so easy to implement. I think the hardest one for dealers and SEO companies alike is the "linking out" part. It's like sharing your beer with strangers (in this case, sharing your juice LOL) but I agree it's so important. I have recommended to clients they link out to local non-profits they support, or to their local chamber of commerce, the local high school, etc. These are great geo-signals as well, strengthening local citations.
DealerTeamwork LLC
Thanks Allyn. Great thought, the local citations can be very valuable indeed!
DealerTeamwork LLC
Five Myths To Better Google Organic Ranking Busted

2 Comments
Coastal States Automotive Group
Great overview Eric- very important information here that is so easy to implement. I think the hardest one for dealers and SEO companies alike is the "linking out" part. It's like sharing your beer with strangers (in this case, sharing your juice LOL) but I agree it's so important. I have recommended to clients they link out to local non-profits they support, or to their local chamber of commerce, the local high school, etc. These are great geo-signals as well, strengthening local citations.
DealerTeamwork LLC
Thanks Allyn. Great thought, the local citations can be very valuable indeed!
5 Comments
Joe Webb
DealerKnows Consulting
Thanks for the shout-out to the Digital Media Battle, Eric. DSES was a great time.
Robert Karbaum
Kijiji, an eBay Company
Honoured to be mentioned in Part I, AND Part II !
Will McGinnis
vAuto
Great recap(s), Eric! Fantastic event and what a fantastic group of people that put this show on; all with one goal and that's to help the fellow dealer.
Kevin Frye
Jeff Wyler Automotive Family
I know how much work goes into a recap like this - great job Eric! I really enjoyed the conference, with the highlight being able to meet with so many great folks. I am already looking forward to a follow-up on the data panel and to see if any progress is made. Cheers to all!
Eric Miltsch
DealerTeamwork LLC
Robert - I knew you were going to light up the stage when I heard your prep-deck up in our room. You've got a gift. Will - Thanks. We're all lucky to be a part of such a fantastic group that is certainly trying to help one another. Kevin - Appreciated. Unfortunately I missed the data panel; the tweets & offline chatter were among the most lively.