Dealer Compliance Consultants, Inc.
Excuses Are Like…
Many of the big money, big publicity compliance meltdowns in the auto industry have been the result of vehicle financing issues. Remember the Gunderson Chevrolet news clips showing the management team being convicted and sent to jail? Being a fearless bunch, some F&I folks still walk a fine line when it comes to compliance. Maybe it’s because no one ever showed them a better way?
Becky Chernek of Chernek Consulting, Inc., who is one of the finest F&I trainers in the industry, was kind enough to share some feedback that she received from F&I managers when discussing ethical sales practices in her seminars.
"Never happened before, not going to now."
"Just a bunch of hype for car dealers to buy into."
"We love Becky, but don't pay too much attention to the regulations; she will get to the meat & potatoes."
"Yeah, the minute we implement that policy you might as well shut our doors."
"I know you learned it this way...but this is the right way to do it if you want to make some money."
"Payment packing is legal if you tell the customer afterwards what products they bought."
"I just tell the customer that the payment to include the service contract is only $5.00 difference."
"Consistent pricing? What about the nonprime customers?"
"What do you mean you can't backdate a contract, we do it all the time."
"So what if we give the customer a raise? That's just how we do it here."
"We always use in-house rebates - how else do you a get loan bought."
"Hey, we sell cars here... its up to finance to get them bought... YoYo deals? 50% of our business is that way."
"No way am I telling the bank this customer is $5000 upside down. Itemize what?"
"Base payment is loaded, that’s just how we do it here."
"I love the idea of getting the customer in the "yes" mode but let's not do that with confirming the true buying numbers that will only confuse them more."
"The interview that is just a waste of time and it doesn't serve any purpose... slows me down."
"When we cancel a policy I don't have to give the customer back the profit just the cost?"
Becky went on to say, “Transparent selling is easy... reduces charge backs, keeps the money on the books and a customer coming back for life…what's so darn hard to understand?”
That’s a great point Becky makes. Whatever happened to good old-fashioned principles like salesmanship and value-building? Do you really think dishonesty is the only way to make a sale?
I was fortunate enough to attend a great seminar given by Jim Ziegler a few years back where he taught ethical F&I selling. To be quite honest, at first I was taken aback. Most of the previous F&I training I was exposed to was the “old school” variety. (Of course, I use the word “training” loosely – most of it was “tribal knowledge” from the old-timers). Jim Z, in his inimitable fashion, taught us how to produce big numbers while doing things the right way. No excuses, just salesmanship. And guess what? It works.
Okay, here’s the part where I piss some people off…
If you feel that you need some help becoming a better, more honest F&I practitioner, I recommend that you contact Becky, Jim or one of the other fine F&I trainers out there. But if, on the other hand, you feel that you need to operate unethically and buy into the lame excuses listed above, maybe you’re in the wrong business. Think about it…
Dealer Compliance Consultants, Inc.
Excuses Are Like…
Many of the big money, big publicity compliance meltdowns in the auto industry have been the result of vehicle financing issues. Remember the Gunderson Chevrolet news clips showing the management team being convicted and sent to jail? Being a fearless bunch, some F&I folks still walk a fine line when it comes to compliance. Maybe it’s because no one ever showed them a better way?
Becky Chernek of Chernek Consulting, Inc., who is one of the finest F&I trainers in the industry, was kind enough to share some feedback that she received from F&I managers when discussing ethical sales practices in her seminars.
"Never happened before, not going to now."
"Just a bunch of hype for car dealers to buy into."
"We love Becky, but don't pay too much attention to the regulations; she will get to the meat & potatoes."
"Yeah, the minute we implement that policy you might as well shut our doors."
"I know you learned it this way...but this is the right way to do it if you want to make some money."
"Payment packing is legal if you tell the customer afterwards what products they bought."
"I just tell the customer that the payment to include the service contract is only $5.00 difference."
"Consistent pricing? What about the nonprime customers?"
"What do you mean you can't backdate a contract, we do it all the time."
"So what if we give the customer a raise? That's just how we do it here."
"We always use in-house rebates - how else do you a get loan bought."
"Hey, we sell cars here... its up to finance to get them bought... YoYo deals? 50% of our business is that way."
"No way am I telling the bank this customer is $5000 upside down. Itemize what?"
"Base payment is loaded, that’s just how we do it here."
"I love the idea of getting the customer in the "yes" mode but let's not do that with confirming the true buying numbers that will only confuse them more."
"The interview that is just a waste of time and it doesn't serve any purpose... slows me down."
"When we cancel a policy I don't have to give the customer back the profit just the cost?"
Becky went on to say, “Transparent selling is easy... reduces charge backs, keeps the money on the books and a customer coming back for life…what's so darn hard to understand?”
That’s a great point Becky makes. Whatever happened to good old-fashioned principles like salesmanship and value-building? Do you really think dishonesty is the only way to make a sale?
I was fortunate enough to attend a great seminar given by Jim Ziegler a few years back where he taught ethical F&I selling. To be quite honest, at first I was taken aback. Most of the previous F&I training I was exposed to was the “old school” variety. (Of course, I use the word “training” loosely – most of it was “tribal knowledge” from the old-timers). Jim Z, in his inimitable fashion, taught us how to produce big numbers while doing things the right way. No excuses, just salesmanship. And guess what? It works.
Okay, here’s the part where I piss some people off…
If you feel that you need some help becoming a better, more honest F&I practitioner, I recommend that you contact Becky, Jim or one of the other fine F&I trainers out there. But if, on the other hand, you feel that you need to operate unethically and buy into the lame excuses listed above, maybe you’re in the wrong business. Think about it…
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Dealer Compliance Consultants, Inc.
Digital Due Diligence
Before the internet, when there were only phone pops, we learned valuable lessons on how to handle calls, such as selling the appointment, creating urgency, not giving shopping numbers and keeping information close to the vest until the customer showed up. It was good advice then and it may be good advice now. But keep in mind that many customer inquiries tend to come online rather then by phone. While the ultimate goal remains the same – to get the customer into the dealership – the rules for execution have become trickier because online communication creates a permanent written record of all interactions with customers.
In addition, many dealers are now utilizing social media as an easy and affordable way to promote their products and services. It’s important to understand that even though it may not require writing a big check, certain social media postings may be considered advertising and proper care should be taken to avoid legal exposure. As we are painfully aware, there are plenty of federal and state regulations that govern automotive advertising. For instance, social media postings that list vehicle prices, payments, downpayments or drive-off amounts may trigger advertising disclosure requirements.
Here’s an illustration of how an online interaction could potentially come back to haunt you. A few days before this past Labor Day, I saw a posting from a dealer on their Facebook page about a Labor Day weekend special that offered zero drive-off leases. During this time period, several competing dealers ran newspaper advertising on similar lease programs with “no money down, zero driveoff, leave your checkbook at home” and so forth. On closer inspection, many of these ads indicated in the fine print that certain fees were due at signing, such as tax, license, doc fees and acquisition fees.
I logged on to the Facebook dealer’s website to check out the actual ad (there were no disclosures on the Facebook posting other than zero drive off). The ad indicated that the customer was responsible for tax and license. I then contacted the dealer online to inquire whether I had to pay for the tax & license or if it was indeed “zero out of pocket”. The dealer representative responded that yes it was zero down, but since it was the last day of the month, I needed to come in before close of business to take advantage of the special lease.
Now, let’s look at some possible outcomes if a customer decided to go to the dealership that night.
If the customer went to the dealer to lease the car and there was indeed no money down required and they gave her the advertised payment, she would probably leave happy and nothing else would matter.
But, if she showed up at the dealership and they informed her that she had to pay other fees to get the advertised payment, a few other things might happen:
1. She might reluctantly pay the fees or roll them into a higher payment. The salesperson’s closing ratio would go up and his CSI would go down.
2. She might leave and go lease a car from another dealer.
3. She might decide to take the written evidence of the transaction to her friendly neighborhood attorney. This could happen the next day or sometime in the future if she decides that she no longer wants the car.
Here are some potential claims that an attorney might make. First, I wouldn’t be surprised if an aggressive attorney would try to make a case for Unfair and Deceptive Acts and Practices (UDAP) for the dealer rep’s little miscommunication about zero down (remember, the customer has an email from the rep that said there was no money required).
Next, the dealer’s Facebook posting stated that they were having a “Labor Day Weekend” sale, yet the dealer rep claimed (in writing) that the sale was over the Tuesday BEFORE the Labor Day weekend. Another deceptive act?
The attorney might also throw in a few advertising violation claims for good measure, such as that the Facebook posting may have lacked some required advertising disclosures and the disclaimer in the dealer’s website may not have been clear and conspicuous enough to be in compliance.
There’s a good chance that an aggressive lawyer would throw all of those nitpicky claims against the courthouse wall to see what sticks. Plaintiff’s attorneys love UDAPs, they can often get multiple damages and attorney fees if successful.
So, here’s my two cents: Be careful what you say; even more careful what you write and if you communicate with customers, it’s not a bad idea to get some training in legal compliance.
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Dealer Compliance Consultants, Inc.
Digital Due Diligence
Before the internet, when there were only phone pops, we learned valuable lessons on how to handle calls, such as selling the appointment, creating urgency, not giving shopping numbers and keeping information close to the vest until the customer showed up. It was good advice then and it may be good advice now. But keep in mind that many customer inquiries tend to come online rather then by phone. While the ultimate goal remains the same – to get the customer into the dealership – the rules for execution have become trickier because online communication creates a permanent written record of all interactions with customers.
In addition, many dealers are now utilizing social media as an easy and affordable way to promote their products and services. It’s important to understand that even though it may not require writing a big check, certain social media postings may be considered advertising and proper care should be taken to avoid legal exposure. As we are painfully aware, there are plenty of federal and state regulations that govern automotive advertising. For instance, social media postings that list vehicle prices, payments, downpayments or drive-off amounts may trigger advertising disclosure requirements.
Here’s an illustration of how an online interaction could potentially come back to haunt you. A few days before this past Labor Day, I saw a posting from a dealer on their Facebook page about a Labor Day weekend special that offered zero drive-off leases. During this time period, several competing dealers ran newspaper advertising on similar lease programs with “no money down, zero driveoff, leave your checkbook at home” and so forth. On closer inspection, many of these ads indicated in the fine print that certain fees were due at signing, such as tax, license, doc fees and acquisition fees.
I logged on to the Facebook dealer’s website to check out the actual ad (there were no disclosures on the Facebook posting other than zero drive off). The ad indicated that the customer was responsible for tax and license. I then contacted the dealer online to inquire whether I had to pay for the tax & license or if it was indeed “zero out of pocket”. The dealer representative responded that yes it was zero down, but since it was the last day of the month, I needed to come in before close of business to take advantage of the special lease.
Now, let’s look at some possible outcomes if a customer decided to go to the dealership that night.
If the customer went to the dealer to lease the car and there was indeed no money down required and they gave her the advertised payment, she would probably leave happy and nothing else would matter.
But, if she showed up at the dealership and they informed her that she had to pay other fees to get the advertised payment, a few other things might happen:
1. She might reluctantly pay the fees or roll them into a higher payment. The salesperson’s closing ratio would go up and his CSI would go down.
2. She might leave and go lease a car from another dealer.
3. She might decide to take the written evidence of the transaction to her friendly neighborhood attorney. This could happen the next day or sometime in the future if she decides that she no longer wants the car.
Here are some potential claims that an attorney might make. First, I wouldn’t be surprised if an aggressive attorney would try to make a case for Unfair and Deceptive Acts and Practices (UDAP) for the dealer rep’s little miscommunication about zero down (remember, the customer has an email from the rep that said there was no money required).
Next, the dealer’s Facebook posting stated that they were having a “Labor Day Weekend” sale, yet the dealer rep claimed (in writing) that the sale was over the Tuesday BEFORE the Labor Day weekend. Another deceptive act?
The attorney might also throw in a few advertising violation claims for good measure, such as that the Facebook posting may have lacked some required advertising disclosures and the disclaimer in the dealer’s website may not have been clear and conspicuous enough to be in compliance.
There’s a good chance that an aggressive lawyer would throw all of those nitpicky claims against the courthouse wall to see what sticks. Plaintiff’s attorneys love UDAPs, they can often get multiple damages and attorney fees if successful.
So, here’s my two cents: Be careful what you say; even more careful what you write and if you communicate with customers, it’s not a bad idea to get some training in legal compliance.
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Dealer Compliance Consultants, Inc.
Unfair? You Bet it is…
“BUYERS ARE LIARS”.
I don’t think I was in the car business one hour before I heard that catchy little phrase. Sure enough, over the course of my retail career, I suspect I was lied to over and over again by the best of them.
I’m not going to pontificate about what buyers lie about and why – many of us could easily write a book on that subject. Instead I’m going to bring up what I think is an important point – buyers can say pretty much whatever they want without fear of recourse, dealers cannot. Yep, that’s right. Buyers can outright lie through their teeth, but dealers are not allowed to stretch the truth even a little.
Doesn’t seem fair, does it? Well it’s not. All may be fair in love and war, but it sure isn’t fair on a car lot. For the most part, when buyers lie to a dealer, they get to go on their merry old way. But if a dealership is accused of being dishonest with a customer, either by commission or omission, they may end up in a courtroom or worse.
When you look at actual enforcement actions and court cases against dealerships, there is typically one common element – the perception that the dealer was less than completely honest with a consumer. The laws allow for a very broad interpretation of what is considered to be unfair or deceptive. Here are some common examples of accusations by plaintiff’s attorneys and regulators:
• Making false statements or failing to disclose a material facts to a consumer
• Oral promises made to the consumer that the dealer fails to deliver upon
• Misleading statements about APR, such as “You won’t be able to get a better interest rate than this”, when the buy rate is being marked up
• Communicating information in a manner that may be misleading, either by commission or omission
• Adding the cost of an F&I product to a consumer’s purchase agreement or lease without first obtaining the consumer’s express consent to purchase the product
• Informing or suggesting to a consumer that the price of any F&I product is included in the price of the motor vehicle
• Informing or suggesting to a consumer that the sale or lease of a vehicle subject to credit approval is a final or completed transaction
• Altering documents without the knowledge and permission of all parties
• Obtaining a credit bureau without proper authorization
• Failing to sell a vehicle at or below an advertised price, whether or not the consumer knows about the advertisement
• Advertising vehicles with intent not to sell them as advertised
• Misrepresenting discounts in advertising and not disclosing important limitations
• Advertising claims such as "everyone financed," "no credit rejected," or similar claims when the dealer is unwilling to extend credit to any person under any and all circumstances
• Engaging in false or misleading advertising, either orally or by way of media
• Advertising “no money down” or “zero drive off” when there is actually some money needed to achieve the advertised payment amount (such as tax, license, acquisition fee, etc.)
• Representing to a consumer that a vehicle is available for sale when it is not
• Informing or suggesting to a consumer that an F&I product is a required purchase
• Informing or suggesting to a consumer that purchase of an F&I product will increase the likelihood that the consumer will be approved for financing or that financing will be approved on more favorable terms to the consumer
• Increasing the selling price of a vehicle to cover a bank acquisition fee
• Intentionally overstating a vehicle’s value by supplying an incorrect book-sheet or due bill to a financial institution
• Over-allowing on a trade-in, thereby increasing the sale price of the purchased vehicle or failing to properly disclose negative equity
• Misrepresenting the amount of rebates available to a customer
• Engaging in payment packing, i.e. inflating payments, inflating down payments, extending the contract term or in any way disguising the actual charges for goods or services.
• Knowingly delivering a vehicle where the lender or lessor will not approve the consumer for financing according to the terms set forth in the installment sales or lease contract, with the intention of re-writing the contract at a later date
• Failing to properly disclose deferred down payments
• Knowingly misrepresenting a vehicle’s prior history or condition, either by commission or omission
• Forging documents
• Knowingly misrepresenting a vehicle, products or the terms being offered
• Falsifying, or allowing to be falsified, any information on a credit application
• Knowingly allowing a consumer to participate in a “straw purchase”
• Misrepresenting the scope or extent of coverage under a service contract or warranty
It’s more important than ever to be very careful when dealing with customers. Plaintiff’s attorneys are constantly on the prowl for cases and regulators recognize the political capital in going after dealers. There’s just no upside to being accused of lying.
The good news is that you can feel free to lie to car salespeople in your spare time.
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Dealer Compliance Consultants, Inc.
Unfair? You Bet it is…
“BUYERS ARE LIARS”.
I don’t think I was in the car business one hour before I heard that catchy little phrase. Sure enough, over the course of my retail career, I suspect I was lied to over and over again by the best of them.
I’m not going to pontificate about what buyers lie about and why – many of us could easily write a book on that subject. Instead I’m going to bring up what I think is an important point – buyers can say pretty much whatever they want without fear of recourse, dealers cannot. Yep, that’s right. Buyers can outright lie through their teeth, but dealers are not allowed to stretch the truth even a little.
Doesn’t seem fair, does it? Well it’s not. All may be fair in love and war, but it sure isn’t fair on a car lot. For the most part, when buyers lie to a dealer, they get to go on their merry old way. But if a dealership is accused of being dishonest with a customer, either by commission or omission, they may end up in a courtroom or worse.
When you look at actual enforcement actions and court cases against dealerships, there is typically one common element – the perception that the dealer was less than completely honest with a consumer. The laws allow for a very broad interpretation of what is considered to be unfair or deceptive. Here are some common examples of accusations by plaintiff’s attorneys and regulators:
• Making false statements or failing to disclose a material facts to a consumer
• Oral promises made to the consumer that the dealer fails to deliver upon
• Misleading statements about APR, such as “You won’t be able to get a better interest rate than this”, when the buy rate is being marked up
• Communicating information in a manner that may be misleading, either by commission or omission
• Adding the cost of an F&I product to a consumer’s purchase agreement or lease without first obtaining the consumer’s express consent to purchase the product
• Informing or suggesting to a consumer that the price of any F&I product is included in the price of the motor vehicle
• Informing or suggesting to a consumer that the sale or lease of a vehicle subject to credit approval is a final or completed transaction
• Altering documents without the knowledge and permission of all parties
• Obtaining a credit bureau without proper authorization
• Failing to sell a vehicle at or below an advertised price, whether or not the consumer knows about the advertisement
• Advertising vehicles with intent not to sell them as advertised
• Misrepresenting discounts in advertising and not disclosing important limitations
• Advertising claims such as "everyone financed," "no credit rejected," or similar claims when the dealer is unwilling to extend credit to any person under any and all circumstances
• Engaging in false or misleading advertising, either orally or by way of media
• Advertising “no money down” or “zero drive off” when there is actually some money needed to achieve the advertised payment amount (such as tax, license, acquisition fee, etc.)
• Representing to a consumer that a vehicle is available for sale when it is not
• Informing or suggesting to a consumer that an F&I product is a required purchase
• Informing or suggesting to a consumer that purchase of an F&I product will increase the likelihood that the consumer will be approved for financing or that financing will be approved on more favorable terms to the consumer
• Increasing the selling price of a vehicle to cover a bank acquisition fee
• Intentionally overstating a vehicle’s value by supplying an incorrect book-sheet or due bill to a financial institution
• Over-allowing on a trade-in, thereby increasing the sale price of the purchased vehicle or failing to properly disclose negative equity
• Misrepresenting the amount of rebates available to a customer
• Engaging in payment packing, i.e. inflating payments, inflating down payments, extending the contract term or in any way disguising the actual charges for goods or services.
• Knowingly delivering a vehicle where the lender or lessor will not approve the consumer for financing according to the terms set forth in the installment sales or lease contract, with the intention of re-writing the contract at a later date
• Failing to properly disclose deferred down payments
• Knowingly misrepresenting a vehicle’s prior history or condition, either by commission or omission
• Forging documents
• Knowingly misrepresenting a vehicle, products or the terms being offered
• Falsifying, or allowing to be falsified, any information on a credit application
• Knowingly allowing a consumer to participate in a “straw purchase”
• Misrepresenting the scope or extent of coverage under a service contract or warranty
It’s more important than ever to be very careful when dealing with customers. Plaintiff’s attorneys are constantly on the prowl for cases and regulators recognize the political capital in going after dealers. There’s just no upside to being accused of lying.
The good news is that you can feel free to lie to car salespeople in your spare time.
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Dealer Compliance Consultants, Inc.
Unhappy Car Buyer Gets 110,000 Views on YouTube
I was browsing through the website of a prominent dealer-chasing law firm this morning (I know, I have weird hobbies), and came across a posting about a dealer with a link to a YouTube video. This dealership is part of a good-sized group that is very well-regarded in the area. As I am personally acquainted with this dealer group, I can attest to their integrity and dedication to customer satisfaction. So, when I clicked on the YouTube link, I expected to see another unconvincing customer with a bad case of buyer’s remorse. Well, I wasn’t disappointed – the customer bought a cheap older car and expected it to run like a brand-new Mercedes.
Not surprisingly, the video attempted to make the dealership look terrible and completely at fault. But here’s the thing - this video wasn’t an amateurish clip of a customer ranting and raving, it was obviously professionally done. So well done in fact that I suspect most consumers viewing the video would find it believable.
Then I noticed the view count on the video. Just short of 110,000 views so far, most of which are from the last month or so. Needless to say, I was astounded! One car deal, one customer, one dealership, over 100 thousand views? No way, this has to be a mistake.
Sadly, it’s no mistake. Here’s how it happened:
The video was produced by a consumer group who naturally had an agenda of their own. While the customer’s initial complaint was that the car had problems and he wanted his money back, a good portion of the video dealt with how the customer was saddled with an unfair arbitration agreement by the dealer. Now, according to the clip, the poor customer can’t get his day in court, has had to wait years for his arbitration hearing, has little or no chance of winning in arbitration because it’s skewed towards the dealer, and all kinds of other nonsense.
The arbitration issue is what caused this video to go viral. Consumer groups and plaintiff’s attorneys have been lobbying against arbitration agreements for years. This is just another sneaky way to promote their agenda. There are now links to this video on consumer sites, legal blogs, you name it. The worst part is that the video shows up on page one when you Google the dealership or search on YouTube. It’s just a darn shame.
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DrivingSales inc
Ive seen the video you are talking about, its a shame because its really not at all accurate. Another example of the importance of reputation management...
k
http://dealercomplianceconsultants.blogspot.com/2010/08/unhappy-car-buyer-gets-110000-views-on.html you might want to look into this too.
k
http://dealercomplianceconsultants.blogspot.com/2010/08/unhappy-car-buyer-gets-110000-views-on.html you might want to look into this too.
DealerTeamwork LLC
Did it really "go viral?" or did it just become a "sponsored" video on YouTube?
DrivingSales
@Jim, thanks for the link. Aside from the Dateline wanna-be feel of that clip its really well done. When a customer buys a eight year old Escort as-is (what?) with that kind of rattle and can get over 100K hits on YouTube this can become a serious issue. What can a dealer do?
Volkswagen of Downtown Los Angeles
Too bad we couldn't hear the other half of the story (for all we know they refunded him before the video even went out) but their reputation is taking serious blows. The negative stuff on Yelp really stands out now. With as many filtered and unfiltered reviews that they have I'm thinking the Internet is (or was) a good part of their business.
Pasch Consulting Group
It definitely is not looking good for Mossy, but they should not take this lying down, and I don't mean by trying to fight this or show their side. They should be doing video reviews of all their happy customers and posting them to their own Youtube page. This should be standard and I am suprised at how many auto dealers are not doing this, you do not need fancy equipment and you do not have to be Scorsese to capture a good review on camera. Also, to combat problems like this you need to work on your internet reputation, hire someone to come in the office and do follow up calls with your customers to make sure everything went well with their car buying experience. If it did, then ask them to kindly post a review on Yelp or Google or one of the many review sites out there. The best way to combat one negative review is to post 100 honest and earnest positive reviews.
Henry Day Ford
Interesting. Makes me want to be really thorough as a used car manager!!
Bellavia Gentile and Associates LLP
"Sponsored" videos work like PPC, you pay to have the video show up in the "sponsored" section and then there is a charge per view. Viral is when users share the video with each other and across various platforms (YouTube to Facebook, Twitter, other YouTube users, etc).
Dealer HD
That's truly a testament to the powers of good/evil Social Media holds. It can do great things for the auto industry but has the potential to really damage businesses.
Dealer Compliance Consultants, Inc.
Unhappy Car Buyer Gets 110,000 Views on YouTube
I was browsing through the website of a prominent dealer-chasing law firm this morning (I know, I have weird hobbies), and came across a posting about a dealer with a link to a YouTube video. This dealership is part of a good-sized group that is very well-regarded in the area. As I am personally acquainted with this dealer group, I can attest to their integrity and dedication to customer satisfaction. So, when I clicked on the YouTube link, I expected to see another unconvincing customer with a bad case of buyer’s remorse. Well, I wasn’t disappointed – the customer bought a cheap older car and expected it to run like a brand-new Mercedes.
Not surprisingly, the video attempted to make the dealership look terrible and completely at fault. But here’s the thing - this video wasn’t an amateurish clip of a customer ranting and raving, it was obviously professionally done. So well done in fact that I suspect most consumers viewing the video would find it believable.
Then I noticed the view count on the video. Just short of 110,000 views so far, most of which are from the last month or so. Needless to say, I was astounded! One car deal, one customer, one dealership, over 100 thousand views? No way, this has to be a mistake.
Sadly, it’s no mistake. Here’s how it happened:
The video was produced by a consumer group who naturally had an agenda of their own. While the customer’s initial complaint was that the car had problems and he wanted his money back, a good portion of the video dealt with how the customer was saddled with an unfair arbitration agreement by the dealer. Now, according to the clip, the poor customer can’t get his day in court, has had to wait years for his arbitration hearing, has little or no chance of winning in arbitration because it’s skewed towards the dealer, and all kinds of other nonsense.
The arbitration issue is what caused this video to go viral. Consumer groups and plaintiff’s attorneys have been lobbying against arbitration agreements for years. This is just another sneaky way to promote their agenda. There are now links to this video on consumer sites, legal blogs, you name it. The worst part is that the video shows up on page one when you Google the dealership or search on YouTube. It’s just a darn shame.
12 Comments
DrivingSales inc
Ive seen the video you are talking about, its a shame because its really not at all accurate. Another example of the importance of reputation management...
k
http://dealercomplianceconsultants.blogspot.com/2010/08/unhappy-car-buyer-gets-110000-views-on.html you might want to look into this too.
k
http://dealercomplianceconsultants.blogspot.com/2010/08/unhappy-car-buyer-gets-110000-views-on.html you might want to look into this too.
DealerTeamwork LLC
Did it really "go viral?" or did it just become a "sponsored" video on YouTube?
DrivingSales
@Jim, thanks for the link. Aside from the Dateline wanna-be feel of that clip its really well done. When a customer buys a eight year old Escort as-is (what?) with that kind of rattle and can get over 100K hits on YouTube this can become a serious issue. What can a dealer do?
Volkswagen of Downtown Los Angeles
Too bad we couldn't hear the other half of the story (for all we know they refunded him before the video even went out) but their reputation is taking serious blows. The negative stuff on Yelp really stands out now. With as many filtered and unfiltered reviews that they have I'm thinking the Internet is (or was) a good part of their business.
Pasch Consulting Group
It definitely is not looking good for Mossy, but they should not take this lying down, and I don't mean by trying to fight this or show their side. They should be doing video reviews of all their happy customers and posting them to their own Youtube page. This should be standard and I am suprised at how many auto dealers are not doing this, you do not need fancy equipment and you do not have to be Scorsese to capture a good review on camera. Also, to combat problems like this you need to work on your internet reputation, hire someone to come in the office and do follow up calls with your customers to make sure everything went well with their car buying experience. If it did, then ask them to kindly post a review on Yelp or Google or one of the many review sites out there. The best way to combat one negative review is to post 100 honest and earnest positive reviews.
Henry Day Ford
Interesting. Makes me want to be really thorough as a used car manager!!
Bellavia Gentile and Associates LLP
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That's truly a testament to the powers of good/evil Social Media holds. It can do great things for the auto industry but has the potential to really damage businesses.
Dealer Compliance Consultants, Inc.
I get it. It’s tough out there. Customer access to information on the internet continues to squeeze margins. Dealerships are just trying to make a buck in a fiercely competitive marketplace. You have to do whatever it takes to stay ahead of the competition.
I also get that some may view compliance as unnecessary, overrated, annoying, a waste of time and money, and downright harmful to profitability. These are perceptions and as they say, perception is reality.
Some employees may be tempted to step over the line ethically when trying to make a deal. After all, the chances of getting caught are pretty slim, right? That’s one way of looking at it. Another way is to ask yourself what’s really more important in the long run - flying under the radar or satisfying your customers? In my view, when it comes to compliance and ethical behavior, the true payoff is customer satisfaction and retention. It really comes down to one simple premise - your customer’s perception is the only reality that should matter.
“We have to advertise aggressively and do whatever it takes to drive traffic to the dealership.”
Customer Perception – “I hate the way you advertise. Why is it that the deal is never what it seems? Like when you advertise a car for $7,000 and when I get there I find out that the $7,000 is only the up-front payment for a pre-paid lease and the residual is $11,000. Why can’t you just advertise the real price with no tricks?”
“Customers make ridiculously low offers. If we don’t pack the payments they won’t feel like they got a deal. It’s all part of the game.”
Customer Perception – I hate that damned “four-square” thing you do! It really tempts me to do something uncivilized with your green sharpie. I didn’t come here for a shell game – I came here to give you the opportunity to give me real numbers and perhaps sell me a car. If I didn’t like your car, I wouldn’t be here - why do feel it is necessary to play games with me?”
“If a customer is willing to pay more than the ad price, I’m not going to talk him out of it.”
Customer Perception – “It’s ridiculous that you have multiple prices. Why is it that you advertise one price on the internet and a different price on the lot? Why must I have to try to negotiate down to the price that you have already advertised? I’m not Inspector Closeau – I just want a fair deal and don’t want to be treated like an idiot because I failed to turn over every rock to find your “best” price.”
“Whatever you do, don’t sell the ad car, it’s a big loser. Get the customer down here and switch them to something we can make money on.”
Customer Perception – “I saw an advertisement for a great price so I called you and asked if the car was still available. You told me ‘Yes, c’mon down’. When I got there a short time later, I was told ‘the car was sold last night but don’t worry, we’ll give you a great deal on something else’. Why did you lie to me?”
“The only reason we advertise those loss leaders is to get people on the lot. No way am I going to sell a car and lose money.”
Customer Perception – “I tried to buy a car at the price you advertised in the paper and you told me that the ad was a mistake and the real price is higher. I don’t believe that for a second.”
“We need to close the customer at the highest payment possible so we can make some money.”
Customer Perception – “You told me that the service contract and other accessories were included, but when I read my contract I see that you charged me thousands more.”
“This customer is credit-challenged, she’s lucky to get approved at all.”
Customer Perception – “You told me that the bank won’t finance me unless I pay a higher price for the car and I buy a service contract to “protect the loan”. I’m willing to pay a higher interest rate, but I don’t think it’s fair that I have to pay more for the car too.”
“Your customer’s debt-to-income ratio sucks. We need to give him a raise and hope the bank doesn’t stip for income.”
Customer Perception – “You lied about my income on the credit application and told me not to worry because the bank won’t ask for proof. What else are you lying about? And what happens if the bank calls me, do you expect me to lie to them too? It doesn’t seem like the right thing to do.”
“That’s the perfect car for your customer. Do whatever it takes to send her home in it.”
Customer Perception – “You told me that the car I bought is a ‘one-owner creampuff’, then I find out that the ‘one owner’ was Hertz Rent-a Car! Why did you lie to me? I still might have bought another car from you if you had told me the truth.”
“I’ll over-allow on the trade to make them happy, just close them at this payment.”
Customer Perception – “You told me you would pay off my trade then I found out you added thousands to the price of the car I bought. I would have sold the car myself if I knew you were going to charge me more.”
“We need get rid of those grounded demos.”
Customer Perception – “I was told that the car I bought was new and had a full factory warranty. When I asked why it had 7,000 miles on it, I was told that the manager drove it back and forth to work. Then I found out that a good portion of the warranty was used up.”
“If a customer asks about that painted fender, just say it was key-scratched and repaired.”
Customer Perception – “When I asked you if the car have ever been in an accident, you said it hadn’t. Then my neighbor, who runs a body shop, checked out the car and told me tells me that it’s been wrecked.”
“Let’s just roll the deal. Once they fall in love with the car and show it to all of their friends, they’ll re-write at a higher payment.”
Customer Perception – “You told me my loan was approved, and then you called me back and told me that I need to put more money down and agree to a higher payment or you’ll take the car back. I never would have taken the car home if I knew this was going to happen.”
This article is intended as food for thought. You may agree or disagree. One final thought though - a consumer law firm or attorney general’s perception of the above scenarios probably wouldn’t be pretty.
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Dealer Compliance Consultants, Inc.
I get it. It’s tough out there. Customer access to information on the internet continues to squeeze margins. Dealerships are just trying to make a buck in a fiercely competitive marketplace. You have to do whatever it takes to stay ahead of the competition.
I also get that some may view compliance as unnecessary, overrated, annoying, a waste of time and money, and downright harmful to profitability. These are perceptions and as they say, perception is reality.
Some employees may be tempted to step over the line ethically when trying to make a deal. After all, the chances of getting caught are pretty slim, right? That’s one way of looking at it. Another way is to ask yourself what’s really more important in the long run - flying under the radar or satisfying your customers? In my view, when it comes to compliance and ethical behavior, the true payoff is customer satisfaction and retention. It really comes down to one simple premise - your customer’s perception is the only reality that should matter.
“We have to advertise aggressively and do whatever it takes to drive traffic to the dealership.”
Customer Perception – “I hate the way you advertise. Why is it that the deal is never what it seems? Like when you advertise a car for $7,000 and when I get there I find out that the $7,000 is only the up-front payment for a pre-paid lease and the residual is $11,000. Why can’t you just advertise the real price with no tricks?”
“Customers make ridiculously low offers. If we don’t pack the payments they won’t feel like they got a deal. It’s all part of the game.”
Customer Perception – I hate that damned “four-square” thing you do! It really tempts me to do something uncivilized with your green sharpie. I didn’t come here for a shell game – I came here to give you the opportunity to give me real numbers and perhaps sell me a car. If I didn’t like your car, I wouldn’t be here - why do feel it is necessary to play games with me?”
“If a customer is willing to pay more than the ad price, I’m not going to talk him out of it.”
Customer Perception – “It’s ridiculous that you have multiple prices. Why is it that you advertise one price on the internet and a different price on the lot? Why must I have to try to negotiate down to the price that you have already advertised? I’m not Inspector Closeau – I just want a fair deal and don’t want to be treated like an idiot because I failed to turn over every rock to find your “best” price.”
“Whatever you do, don’t sell the ad car, it’s a big loser. Get the customer down here and switch them to something we can make money on.”
Customer Perception – “I saw an advertisement for a great price so I called you and asked if the car was still available. You told me ‘Yes, c’mon down’. When I got there a short time later, I was told ‘the car was sold last night but don’t worry, we’ll give you a great deal on something else’. Why did you lie to me?”
“The only reason we advertise those loss leaders is to get people on the lot. No way am I going to sell a car and lose money.”
Customer Perception – “I tried to buy a car at the price you advertised in the paper and you told me that the ad was a mistake and the real price is higher. I don’t believe that for a second.”
“We need to close the customer at the highest payment possible so we can make some money.”
Customer Perception – “You told me that the service contract and other accessories were included, but when I read my contract I see that you charged me thousands more.”
“This customer is credit-challenged, she’s lucky to get approved at all.”
Customer Perception – “You told me that the bank won’t finance me unless I pay a higher price for the car and I buy a service contract to “protect the loan”. I’m willing to pay a higher interest rate, but I don’t think it’s fair that I have to pay more for the car too.”
“Your customer’s debt-to-income ratio sucks. We need to give him a raise and hope the bank doesn’t stip for income.”
Customer Perception – “You lied about my income on the credit application and told me not to worry because the bank won’t ask for proof. What else are you lying about? And what happens if the bank calls me, do you expect me to lie to them too? It doesn’t seem like the right thing to do.”
“That’s the perfect car for your customer. Do whatever it takes to send her home in it.”
Customer Perception – “You told me that the car I bought is a ‘one-owner creampuff’, then I find out that the ‘one owner’ was Hertz Rent-a Car! Why did you lie to me? I still might have bought another car from you if you had told me the truth.”
“I’ll over-allow on the trade to make them happy, just close them at this payment.”
Customer Perception – “You told me you would pay off my trade then I found out you added thousands to the price of the car I bought. I would have sold the car myself if I knew you were going to charge me more.”
“We need get rid of those grounded demos.”
Customer Perception – “I was told that the car I bought was new and had a full factory warranty. When I asked why it had 7,000 miles on it, I was told that the manager drove it back and forth to work. Then I found out that a good portion of the warranty was used up.”
“If a customer asks about that painted fender, just say it was key-scratched and repaired.”
Customer Perception – “When I asked you if the car have ever been in an accident, you said it hadn’t. Then my neighbor, who runs a body shop, checked out the car and told me tells me that it’s been wrecked.”
“Let’s just roll the deal. Once they fall in love with the car and show it to all of their friends, they’ll re-write at a higher payment.”
Customer Perception – “You told me my loan was approved, and then you called me back and told me that I need to put more money down and agree to a higher payment or you’ll take the car back. I never would have taken the car home if I knew this was going to happen.”
This article is intended as food for thought. You may agree or disagree. One final thought though - a consumer law firm or attorney general’s perception of the above scenarios probably wouldn’t be pretty.
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